Crosley turntables have a bit of a reputation.
And it’s not a good one.
They make low cost record players that are quite popular with first-time buyers on a budget.
As usual, you get what you pay for.
But do Crosley turntables really ruin records? Or is that just an exaggeration.
The truth is: they can.
Keep reading to find out how they can ruin records and how likely it is to happen to you if you buy one of their models.
- 1 Do Crosley Turntables Ruin Records?
- 1.1 Why Cheap Styli Damage Records
- 1.2 Do All Needles Damage Records?
- 1.3 Which Needles Do The Least And Most Damage To Records?
- 1.4 How Long Can Records Last If The Needle Wears Them Out Constantly?
- 1.5 Do I Really Need To Care About This?
- 2 Are Crosley Record Players Bad: Final Thoughts
Do Crosley Turntables Ruin Records?
They can, to a degree. The reason are the cheap styli found on Crosley players and on similarly priced entry level turntables like Jensen.
The tips are not carefully manufactured and have rougher edges, which wear down your records at a much faster pace than well-made, high-end styli.
In other words, the Crosley turntable itself is not doing any damage. It is the cheap needles they use for their low-priced products.
That means you can simply replace the needle with a higher-quality one and you’ll no loner have to worry about this issue. This is something we always recommend when buying a cheap turntable.
And replacing the needle on a cheap player is much better and easier than going even cheaper and making your own record player. The other option is to just avoid the lowest cost Crosleys and go for something like the Crosley Rochester instead, which comes with a diamond-tipped stylus.
Why Cheap Styli Damage Records
The way record players work is that the needle, or stylus, is attached to a cartridge that has a magnet inside. The magnet reads the movement of the needle and transduces it into a tiny electrical signal which produces audio.
You already know that, but the reason I mention it, is that the needle is physically touching the record. And the record is made of a vinyl compound that gets slightly worn every time you play it.
The weight of the tonearm and cartridge are resting on the stylus, putting pressure on the record. That contact and the pressure, along with the rotation of the record, all add up to wearing out the record.
How much the record gets worn down each time you play it depends on the stylus that is being used, the weight of the tonearm and the cartridge, and how fast the record is moving.
Do All Needles Damage Records?
Yes. All needles that make contact with a record rub off a tiny amount of the record with every play. Even expensive needles on the best turntables on the market do some damage over time with repeated plays.
This is the unfortunate downside to vinyl. Unlike CDs, records are analog and as such they require contact with other parts to produce sound.
CDs are just data stored inside a piece of plastic as zeros and ones, read by a laser which then transduces the data into audio.
CDs will never wear out, theoretically. If you never scratch them, the data on them will be there forever, or until the plastic deteriorates.
Which Needles Do The Least And Most Damage To Records?
Typically, the better the stylus the less wear it will cause to your records. Styli come in different materials and shapes which contact the record in different ways and cause different levels of wear.
- Spherical: these have a spherical shape on the tip
- Elliptical: slightly more pointed than a spherical, touching less surface area of the vinyl
- Hyper-elliptical: more pointed than the elliptical stylus, touches more of the groove’s left and right sides
- Micro-ridge: very pointy, sits right in the groove and has the best tracking and sound due to the increased surface area it is contacting.
There has not been any 20 year study conducted on any of this to confirm anything I am about to say as fact, so be forewarned that much of this is our opinion, personal experience, and the opinions of others.
Micro-Ridge Styli Sound Best But Cause The Most Wear
A micro-ridge stylus sits way down in the groove, with the tip of the needle touching the bottom of the groove. This causes excellent tracking and better fidelity.
But it also causes more wear over time. The tip of the needle digs into the record a bit more and it makes the groove wider, since the edges of the stylus touch the edges of the groove completely. Eventually, the needle slides across the record.
Spherical Needles Do The Least Damage But Sound The Worst
This is a sweeping generalization with many exceptions, but the way a spherical needle contacts the record affects less surface area then any of the other shapes. Less contact means less fidelity and less wear.
Of course, there are expensive spherical styli that are ultra-polished and very well made that sound fantastic, just as there are micro-ridges that are cheap and sound bad. It is all degrees and nuance when it comes to styli and their level of record wear and sound quality.
How Long Can Records Last If The Needle Wears Them Out Constantly?
If you set up your equipment properly and take proper care of your records, you can play them hundreds of times with extraordinarily little audible loss of quality. But the opposite is also true.
If you have an improperly aligned turntable with a cheap stylus (like a Crosley) it will start to cause a loss of fidelity after only a few spins (depending on the stylus).
As mentioned, this has not been studied in a lab, as far as we know. These are mostly opinions and personal experiences being shared.
But if you think about how a record player works and you understand that the way it makes sound is by physically touching the grooves with a small needle, it all makes logical sense.
Do I Really Need To Care About This?
The answer to this question comes in two parts.
If you have an expensive record collection that you paid a lot of money for, and you care deeply about your records, you need to care about this quite a bit.
That said, the better you care for your records and the better the equipment you use to play them (especially the stylus), the less you need to worry about this, since there is nothing more you can do to minimize wear.
One tip I tell people is to have one copy of the record that is a little beat up and use that as your most frequently played copy. Keep your better copy to be played on special occasions.
If you are buying records that are not awfully expensive, you are not trying to keep them pristine, and have the budget to buy more if they become played out fast, then you do not need to worry about this at all.
Just keep in mind that when you use a cheap turntable with a cheap stylus like a Crosley, you are cutting the life of your records at least in half, if not more. They can start to sound bad after only a handful of plays.
And even models a step above the cheapest still have fairly low quality stylii. Read our review of the Crosley Nomad for a good example. The stylus is better, but still far from great.
Of course, the problems don’t end with the stylus. Crosley record players can stop spinning, or stop working at all, within a few years of buying them. Or even right out of the box. They are simply not made with quality components and the quality control is lacking, too.
Another thing to consider is the hassle of disposing of damaged records. They are harmful to the environment and should not be thrown in the trash. Vinyl records can’t be recycled either, so your main remaining options are to off load them to artists who repurpose them, or to repurpose them yourself.
Are Crosley Record Players Bad: Final Thoughts
Any time you buy a cheap record player, like a Crosley model, there is a risk to your record collection. But the culprit is not the player itself. It is always a cheap stylus.
This is the one component that comes into contact with the record. It only makes sense that you would want it to be as high-quality as possible, especially since cheap needles can do serious damage.
For that reason, we always recommend upgrading the stylus (and the cartridge along with it) when you buy a cheap record player. Yes it costs a bit more, but it is worth it to keep your records sounding their best for as long as possible.
There are also Crosley models that cost a bit more and thus come with somewhat better components. Check out our review of the Crosley C200 for a good example. It’s still a budget turntable, but a step above the entry level models.
Chinese made crap.
You mean Chinese made like your iphone or android phone that your typing your comment on? Lol
Yes Crosley is made in china but designed elsewhere. I ask, so what?
It’s NOT just the stylus. It’s also the tracking weight. Your article is very misleading and suggests you do no have a great understanding of what your reviewing.
AJ if the tracking weight is in the 3 range its ok. The original record specs call for weights up to 7grams. None of the players i checked were over 5 and many had a range of 3g. Some of the newer models come with better needles like audio technica brand.
Not wveryone wants to buy a $1000 turntable. You do know there is a difference between a record player and a turntable? Two different markets.
If it wasnt for Crosley and Urban outditter type companies we would not habe the vinyl resurgence we are experiencing today.
The Micro-Ridge stylus DOES NOT ware the record out faster. The Micro-Ridge, Micro-Line, Micro-Linear is the very best Stylus design to date. because it has greater contact with the grove, it produces far less ware and the stylus will last well past 1k hours play time if records are kept clean and the stylus kept clean. This stylus profile was introduced in 1982, at the end of the vinyl age.
However, these styli will not be found on budget record players as they were designed for use on tonearms with a full range of adjustability and extremely high-quality bearings. The Conical/Spherical tip is still popular long after the automatic record changer days as it’s a set it and never worry about it again type design that can be adapted to the crudest of cartridge/tonearm designs. There have been some hi-end cartridges over the years that used a conical stylus, but it wasn’t the traditional .7 mil tip made of sapphire or very poorly polished crude zirconia.
The problem with the Crosley is the poorly designed tonearm, very low quality ceramic cartridge and god-awful tracking force. To that, there’s not even a full-sized platter to firmly support the record. It’s a cheap, plastic plater with a crude bearing. When I hear people talking about how awesome Records sound played on their Crosley record player or any other crude, budget turntable, I know it’s nothing but nostalgia for an era that they missed out on…because a cheap CD player will produce far better sound than a cheap record player ever can…god forbid we dare tell them to look at the science.
thanks for being brutally honest, I’d rather wait longer and get a good turntable (and stylus!) than a crap all rounder and waste money on a replacent stylus that doesn’t fix all the issues. thanks mate 🙂